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>> lehrer: od evening. i'm m lehrer. on the newshourhis friday, the leastory-- good news on jobs. judwoodruff examines the details and the meaning then, after the other newsof the day, jeffrey browneports on nato sending so 7,000 more troops to afghanistan >> hrer: in brussels, margaret rner talks to secretary
clinton about the ropean lied support. >> lehrer: mark shids and david brooks their analysis of the week's top storie and we will say fawell to a newshou and welcome to a new o that is both different and the me. >> what theorld needs now i energy. the energy toet the economy humming agn. the energyo tackle challenges like climatchange. what is that ener came from an energy compan everyday, chevn invests $62 million in people, in idea- seeking, tching, building. fueling growth around t world
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fell to 10% from last moh's 10. and the economy sd just 11,000 jobs, a vast improvement om october's rised total of 1,000. fact, the loss was the smalst yet in a recession at's cost more than 7 milli jobs since 2007. at a congressional hearing today, the head of the s. bureau of labostatistics, kei hall, agreed it was good news. >> reporter: but helso pointed outany of the nation's total of 15 million unempyed have given upooking. >> the nber of discouraged workers in november was 86100, up from 608,0 a year earlier. these individuals are not currently looking fowork because thebelieve no jobs are available for them. >> reporte the question of how qr today, preident obama toured a metal wos factory in allentown, nnsylvania. he lled the slowdown in job losses "modestly encoaging," but he said binesses won't rely expand until banks mak it easier to boow money:
>> and part of whatur message to theanks is, the taxpayers were there for you to can up your mistakes. you now ve a responsibility to be there f the community now that we're bearing t brunt of a lot of these probms that you caus. >> next tuesday, the present will outline ideasor a new jobs bl in a washington speech. bu republicans warned again today the president policies uld actually slow the recovery. >> the first thing thatas to ppen is that the job-killing agenda that the presiden supports that's movi through the congss has to be stoed. >> in the meantime, t jobless rate could resume climng next year. severaprivate surveys this week projecd a new wave of job cuts cu in the nextew months. the dow jones indurial average add 22 points to cle near 10,389. the nasdaq rose 21 ints toay
closat 2,194. for the week, the dowained nearly 1%. the nasq rose more than 2.5%. for more on what to ke of today's numbers. turn to two economists who follow the laborarket closely. lisa lynch idean of the heller school at brandeis uversity, and a foer chief economist at thlabor department. and, nariman behraveshchief ecomist at ihs-global insight, an economic andinancial consulting firm. lisa lynch,o you first, whatid you make of these numbers when you saw them? >> well, when i fit looked at the nbers this morning, i had to double-check and make sure didn't read the numbers incoectly. inarticular, the fact at e job loss number w only 11,000. and sing the unemoyment te number drop as well whenost people thought thathat was goingo stay the same that w a wild mont. nd actually when you went
into the reporthere was en more good news. wesaw increasesn employment in the tempora help industry. weaw th hours of work inreased, bothourly wages increase weekly be wages increasee so lotsf vy good nws oth on the frontine numbers a as we probed more into the report lookin at what was happening in terms of ployers' behavior. >> woodruffnariman behravesh, surprising for you too? >> somewhat. althgh we have been saying that sn, fairly soon, i e next two or three nths we start to s imprements in the jbs market. it's happened a little sooner than we thought. thats wita surprise. that said, and a agree this isa very goodeport, it's entirelpossible that the next couple mont we could actually see an upward blip. now at doesn't mean that the recovery is over or we're going back into recession. it just simply mens that the things don't move in a
traight line. thy tend to bounce around. well we're either at very cle to a turningoint in terms of e jobs recession. >> woodruff: nariman ehravesh, did you see some of t same specifics in here, though, that are positivas lisa lynch pointed out? >> i completely agree. andhe pointed ot a number of things. let me justdd to that. last two months t numbers were revised upward. that's alwa a good sign. we're actuallyeeing jobs groh in some of the service sects. you know, things like business services grong in terms of adding jobs. health ce, adding jobs. these are all very goo signs. so indee, as y digeep into thiseport, there's a lot of tngs to fe good about. woodruff: at the same time, lisa lync, how do you know is is not just a flke or just aeasonal thing goi on? >> well, the numbers are seasonally adjusted by the reau of labor statistics. and as nariman poined out, it is important to note tha thprevious two months employment rept numbers were revised. and so that the job loss was
not as great as previously reported. so between thi report, what were seeing in terms of the weekly unemployment insurance claims data, all of the numbers are telling e're at that turning point. and we'll seeome bouncing aroundas we're here on the ttom. but i thik there's strong evince that we're at a turning point in theabor market. and the morrhaging of jobs close to the end. >> woodruff: nariman behresh, how much of a turning point do youhink it is? one ecomist today atually called this agame-changer. i think that's bit of an exaggeration. i think a turningpoint is a better analogy here and a better description. we bascally are cle to, if not at, that point at which job loss will pretty much en job gains wil begin. but i will cauon thaour view is thathis recove is going to be fairl modest.
it'going to befairly slow. and the job gains will be irly slow which means the unemployment rate isoing to ce down very gradually over e course of the next ar. so inhat sense often what i say the days is yes, it's recovery. may not quitefeel like recovery. >> woodruff: solislynch is it stl the jobless recory, that term everybods been using? >>ell, we hve to acknowledge the fact th even though the unemployment re dropped, it's still at 10%. and if y add in the nber o people th are working feer hours cause employers ut theirours or as was mentioned at the top of the story, that there are more discouraged worrs out there, we hve over % of the workfce that's underemployed. o we have -- we're at i thnk a turning point but a a very low level of activity in terms o the abor market. so in order to recover and to getack to wheree were at t start of this recession, we' going to have to eitheree fabulous growth, let say on the
order of 5.5 or 6% per ar for the next three years, or job, monthly job increase numbers over 300,0 a mon again for the nxt three years to get the unemploent rate back to where it was. and no onthat i know is forecasting such robust growthor the economy. so it's ing to take a long time to recover from the depth of where we are. >> woodruff: is thatthe trajectory, riman behresh that you are looking at as wel? >> very much o. in fa, we would surprised, foexample, if the unempyment rate at the end o next year, 20 is bew let's say 9.5%. i think we'll belucky to get the. and then beyo that it will come down very gradually. you have to realize in ter of the job lsses we're in a very deep hole. it's going to ke a long time to clmb out. i mean one ay to look at this is t job losses from this recession are roughl the ame as the job losses from the last four recessions all put together.
so this is a very bad recession. >> woodruff: let me ask u bot president oma is gog to be holding this -- or going tobepeaking next tuesday outlining a new jobs proposal,omething that he says wiljump-start busins to get them to hire. lisa lync what could the admintration do that you thinkould ma a difference. >> well, i think it's time to take a page out of th play book of th fedral resee that threw erything -- it could in rms of monetary policy at this csis. and i ink at this sta in the recovery, to ensure that we have a speedr recovery in the labo market, we have to da variety o things. we have txtend unemployme insurance to hose people that have been out of rk for a long period of time ich almost 40% of workers ve been out ofork for six months or mor we have to increase the amount of money that we're allocating r job training with many people out of work for a long period of me, their skills have
deprecianged. they need skills training. and thewe need to gi assistance to sll and medium sized business they rely paperly on the nks for their financing. those employers e starting to hire. they're big part of job creati at the beginning of a rovery and they really need assisnce in termsf fincing so that they can gout and hire new workers. >> wdruff: nariman bravesh, just 30 sonds here. what would you add if anything to tt, that the administration could dthat would make difference. >> i would say add a tax credit, probably a tempora o, a year or two that would encrage small and large companies to hire new workers to add to their payrolls you will. companieare sit on a mountain of cash. they're scaredo spend it because there worried about the recovery. we need to tease somef that mon out, get them to start to rehire. >> woruff: nariman we rafish, lislynch, we thank you both. >> thank you, judy. > lehrer: economists who attended the esident's job
summit yesteray offer idea it's for creating new jobs. s that's on our web site newshour.pbs.org. in other news toda an explsion ripped through a nightclub irussia, killing more than00 people. news agencs said indoor firewks may have caused the blast. it happed in the city of perm, about 700iles east of moscow. investigatorsaid 200 people were in the club at the time general mors and its main chine partner have announced a joint venture iindia. the chinese company snghai automove industry corporation will put $350 milln dollars intohe operation. it will also take majoty ownership of.m.'s existing china venture. a powerful rel movement in notheast india was dealt another blowtoday. officials confirmed the orall comnder and top deputy were in custody after tey surrendered
in neighboring banglesh. several rebeleaders have been arrested the past year. the group is centeredn assam state. it's conducted violent, 30- year campaign for indepennce. the was word today of rare public protests in north koa. it started aft much of the country's paper money was rended worthless. repos in south korea said demonsators burned piles of currency, and they denouncedim jong-il, e north's communist dictat. kim's government hachanged the face value of its currencto try tcurb runaway inflation. it also limited how many d banknotes could bswapped for new ones.
>> reporter: forgn ministers fr 25 nato nations pledg in brussels day to conibute a total of 7,000 re troops tohe u.s.-led war in afghanista. that's aut 2,0 more an initl estimates. details of who inoill conibute what aretill to be worked out. but at the alliace adquarters seetary-general anders rasmussen said members backed up words wi deeds. >> the strgest message in the ministerial room today was solidity. >> reporter: that solidarit had been in some dot. cretary of state hillary clinton cameo brussels to cajole allies. >> excellent. > reporter: the nato pled would increase the number of on-u.s. troops in afghanistan to about 45,000. they join nearly 100,000 americanthere by next summer, including at least 30,000eing deployed in the new surge. somellies voice concern ov president obama's
timetle for beginning with drawal. it calls rfghan forces to begin taking er security in jy 2011. but rmussen said it was all part of a largerlan. >> this meeting launched a new phase in this mission, with the iention to transfer lead security sponsibility to afghan forces soon as possible. >> reporter:ome of those allied-trained afghan forces joined a thousand.s. marines today a new offensivin helmon province, he first since president obama'snnouncement. >> the operation has been ongoing for about ght hours. everything is gog right on track actually. reporter: but also today militants sted their own strike across theborder in pakistan. gunmen attacked a mosq freented by military officers in t garrin city of raul pinnedi. at least5 worspers were killed. since ocber pakistani
taliban and other mitant roups have kled more than 400 people in a wave of attacks in northern pakistan. theinsurgents are based the lawless fronerlands that strat el the afghan border. today's "new rk times" reported thebama white house is n authorized a steped up campaign of drone attacks on militants there. the strikes culd start in balujist and southern pakistan where muchf te afghanaliban leadership is thought tocurrentlyfind safe haven. >> lehr: now to secretary of state clinton on afghanistan, margaret warner spe to theecretary after the nato meeting i brussels elier today. >> warner: mame secretary thanks for doing this. >> thank you, margaret. >> warner: was this a ha ell to get theo allies to pony u more troops? >> it wasn't a hard sell once the hard part wasver, namely gting the stregy. feeling that we had done everything we knewto do to make the very best assessment to give the president our st advice, and e decision that he then announced o tuesda night.
once he annoued that decision, it w extraordinary e kind of support thawe were getting from our friends and allies around t world. >> warnernow you said yesterday on the plane that -- you acknowledged there haveeen some misuerstanding about wha the july 2011 date really meant. uh-huh. >> warner: didou find the same misunderstanding her >>i really didn't. ybe it is because it all got explained over the last 48 hours a the presidt's point in the spch that we needed a responsibl withdraw based on coitions that we weren't talking abo jumping off a cliff but you kn, having a traition. by the ti i got here and the reports that i hadeard from otherss people derstood what we were talking about. and actually apeciated it. because ey thought it helped to focus everybody's mind and attention. i think i helped in some of the countri that we were asking for additional help because they could g in and say look, we have a new trategy. the united stes is committed to this strate. we think we'lle ableo start making transitns in 2011. i think it l added up to a
strong argument for being part of it. >> warner: so it was ressuring to some of these partners tt president ama was saying this isn't just an endless opn-ended comtment? >> yes, i was very reassung. and when prident karzai said yesterday in an interew that he saw it as an impetusthat is exactly what we were hoping for. th it was the opportunity r us to show both resolve and urgency. and i think we succeeded in doi that. >> warner: i have task you about th7,000 additiol trps with which the ecretary-general announced this morning to us,nd everybody put on tir web sites. but how many of those are really new troops versu troopthat say, came in for the eection, and now are going tstay on? >>well, margaretthey are all newin the sense that they will all be in afghanistann 2010. the troops that cam in for e election were pected to ha left by the e of this year. they have decidedursuant to the new strateg that ey are going to be staying. and we have tusands of n commitments from countes
that have ma a real stretch, like small countries like orgia and slovakia, bi countries like italynd poland and the united kinom and others ho will be making'p the announcements ov the next days and wks. , this was actual not supposed to aledging conference. this was supped to be a rallying conference in the sense that peole getting behind the policy with public statements. and then there wl be a fourth determination conference th week. bui was thrilled that we got thes kind of commitments out the today. >> warner: let's take t british, for eample. >uh-huh. >> warner: prime minter brown annound 500 new troopshat the conventional new wisdom has been. buthe brits are saying you haveo count our level from back before the electi, we re 1200 troops. that true. we all put in mo troops for the eleion. and tt was the rational. it wanot part of a w strategy it was just to try to provide enoughecurity so at we could get people to the polls. but itas verylear from many ofour friends, they
sa okay, fine,e're going to dohis, but our people are against this. our governmentsre not happy with thi syou have to understand we're putting them in. we're taking them out. and now we're saying wait a minute, we reconsidered. we're going to say. >> warner: at about the frch. president sarky said no additional frenchroops. is he saying anything difrent privately? >> well, im with the secretary-general w was at an event with me earlier today anwas asked extly that questin. and he h smiled a he sa, well, actually think ere is a little, you know, potential room here for some aitional help. i don'tnow that other than to looto the strong rbal support thathe french have gin us, both the foreign ministeto me, the predent to president obama. and you know, they do have gnificant numbers there now. but we hope that they will come rward. >> warner: the other maor contributor currently, the number three coributor is the germans. e you perfectly comfortable with them sayi they're not going to make
anyecision until afterthe late jaary afghan conference. >> i am. and for this reason. first, they have just stood up a new government. is is an entirely different coalition. know what it'sike when you are all in one pay. all oa sudden are you a new government u have to figure out who's on first and then who is calling the shots. so it doesn't at all concern me. theyave to be sure that they know what theyre dng going forward. d the conferen at the end ojanuary is vry important, cncellor merkel. i believe that we'reoing to be seeingmore assistace from germany. but you kw, they want to do it in accordance to thir own politica schedule. >> warner: let me fally ask you abt the response in the rion. the stories today were that it was really not met, th obamspeech with great enthusiasm ineither afghanistan pakistan. let me k you about pakistan first. there there was just alot of talk about the uned states was getting rdy to walk out on pakistan ce
aga. are yo surpred by this? >> no, not afr the three-days i just spe in kistan. i think at there isust a reflex of skepticism and anxiety about american intentions. and it es back into the story of thisquite young country. it's about the same age am. nd they look to these historical miestones and say well,merica wasn't with us then. and amera left us afte the viet union le afghanistan. so as i id repeatedly, whewe were there, we have to reild trust. but i think if you read those stories closely and certaly the personal conversations have had th pakistanieaders in the la couple of days, there a sigh of relf. there's a feing that okay, so thenited states is committed, noonly to afghanistan and the fght against the afghan talib, b you are committed to this partnership you keep talking about. i think we're pang a lite progress. i actually thought the press
accounts were betr than i would have anticipated. >> warner: startingrom a very low se. andfinally in afhanistan and president kaai, he gave an inauguralpeech. he talkedbout imoving governce. have you seen evidce that he's making good on those pleds, particularly in the area of tamping down rruption? >> we' seen some promisi signs. it's -- it's proably too early to draw sme overall onclusions but i am encouraged. i think he has said a lot of the right things not only in the speech but in sme of his comments since then. there seems to be a al appreciation of the new strategy andhe partnership between afghanistan and the unit states and our allies and particully the way that general mcchrystal is going about implemeing the strategy. so i am -- i am, you know, realy reassured thate may beon aew path.
>> warnerbut would you say he has qite a wa to go to create a record thathen this afghan cference is ld at the end of january, the europeanare going to look anday he is stepng up. >> wl, i think we allave a ways to go. this is not just one-way street i think that me of the decisions we all have made have conibuted to e very problems that we now wis to sol. so everybodis going to have to up their game. we're all going thave to learn the lessons of the past. we're going toave to be better prepared toeal with the reaties we confront in afghanistan. i think they're makingan effort. we're certainl you know, redoubling os. anso i thinke'llee progress. >>arner: madame secretary, thank you. >> thank you. >>ehrer: margaret found a behind the scenereport about her translantic flight on secretary clinn's plane. and you can read at a nehour.pbs.org. this is pdge week on public television.
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d to the analysis of shield d brooks-- syndicated columst mark shields and "new york times" columst david brooks. today's job numrs, a pleasant rprise for a lot of people including president obama? >> good news for a administrationhat needed it. >> lehrer: and a surprise. >> and a surise, no question. the sen, jim, the ality that we sill need 125 to 127,000 new jobs everyonth for people coming into the workforce. so putting thisn rspective, it i encouraging. it's hopeul but itsn't the ansr. there's still an awful big vod out there of people an you heard lia lynch earlier in the broadcast say two out of fiv, that people have been unemploy for six months o more. >> lehrerhow do you see t. >> politically, firstof all
it is gre news, glad to see the onomists wrong o upside for achange hchl they have been wro on the downsid but just in poly terms, i think, if they are, there has been clear trend. weon't know ife're going to have j growth but the job losses have been diminishinfor quite a long time a it is a prett broad based. so if we have beg tourn the corner take the wind out of the salesof the popust anger and me sometimes quite destrtive anger out there. two it meansn the white house they can begin ink about long term. they've been in cisis mode really for tenonths now. how do we get things going rit now. and now think they're beginning to lookong-term. if we're ing to get a recovery, how do make sure it is broad-basedand ople up an down the income ladder feel it and so they are beginningo think about innovation. th're going to be thinki about job creation in fuamental sense, creating real jobs, not just jbs that areupported by temporary government >> lehrer: and i notice the two people told judy,hen she asked them what wod ey suggests aways to create more job, neither said another stimulus package. they dn't talk about
government spendingt all. >> i will say this, jim, that this admistration will live or di on jobs. i meant won -- that is the issue domesticallynot only the 201elections but in 201 and where disagree with davidi don't think it engh to drain the populist fever which i ink is totally lgitimate and totally understandae. >> lehrer: define the populist -- a sense that t major financial instituons of the country, thighest and most powerl and most privileged brought this country to the edge of financial chaos and cause the economic csis that has resulted in the employment. andhat the only government actiothat people can really see that has made a difference in the last ye is the baout of these same financial institutins, the only island of osperity in this sea of discontent and suffering is the new york financial institions. and think thatit is. anthey sayashington and new york, scratching each
other's back. >> lehrer: presidentbama said that hself in lentown today. we had in the clip. >> one n have dierent views about he bailout. and i thin they were necessary we had to make the finaial system stab. but what i am talking about thepopulist upising, i'm noso much talking about whher you supported the ilouts or not. i'm talking about pieces of legislatiowhich are gaining hundreds of supporters in t house of representativ to really dede the fed of its powe. i'm talking aut greater oppositiono trade, free trade. greater oppositon to immigration andmmigrant groups. when populist upsings happen in times economic anxiety, it is not justdo you support the bailout to me it also gets uger in many fferent ways. >> it isn even the bailout david, and i'not talking about the blout. i think there is a very plausible cae to be made forhe bailout. theense that the only, t ly area of our entire economy that has been helped, that hasecord profs, that is ruming bonuses the proportionshat the third wor gdp that these iividuals are getting, is
the financial institutis of ll street whi pople hold accotable. i agree wi you, one of the reasonshatimmigration has been sch a painf issue in this country is becse of onomic downtur and people being concerned. we dble the gross domestic product of this country i the dece of the '60s and we wen through the most wrenching and i would say the most sitive social change in vil rights. and we wer able to do it because the pie wa expanding. but -- we've lo --. > lehrer: there was money there. >> that's right, we lost 69,000 manufacturg jobs last moh. so that was a real dark sid >> lehrer: david, yo mentioned the fed. his is called a sellingway -- seg, to ben bernanke, theed chairman d the hearings today. they really got -- they got rogh with him. that is -- that doesn happen very often to the chairman. >> that is just terrible. the things they got rough with him for, he thought the bankg system was more stable, this was yers ago, more stable than i turned out to be. fine, sdid everybody else. he mad a mistake. nonetheless,f you look at
the history of the last t years and you look at the books already being wrten abouit, what do you see. yosee ben bernankeeading the reboundgetting there early. being extremely aggressive, unpredentedly aggressive with the fed, tryin to get this economy restard. and then with quitener and wi paulson, real having this on conversation. what are we going to do. what are we going i to do. anthey reacted very flexibly and i ink very heroically. and i think if you interview people around the ci about who is trying to undetand what is going on, w has theost developed vws, ere is nobody in washingto who has as well deveped views aten bernanke d nobody over the past two years who has reaed in a successful a ben bernanke an so the piling on i think just outrage us. >> lehrer: outra us? >> i think i ree with vid for the most part. >> lehrer: you think u agree. >> i'm not ready to canonize him, or putim on m rumore yet. but he was coise and he was contre. his predecessor alan greenspan was srt of thea oracle, come up there and
spe and broken sin tax, o, you are so woerful. and he's paying ben bernanke is paying retroacvely for an greenspan's sins. and so t coness that actual were splicant before alan greepan when he was chairman and totally derential now are sort of earng their bones by getng tough with him. i think it is indefensibl would lik to see the congress ve oversight on where theongress went wro. i haven'thad a hearing on that. on the whole banking. and think he'sbeen very candid and very fthcoming. and you know, i expt him to be -- i expect h to be recfirmed. he was nominated by republican predent, nominated again a democratic president so, butit's not one congress's finest hos. lehrer: let's talk about afghanistan. what is your -- how dyou read the action to the president's aghanistan plan that has happen now sinces too. >> i gue my reaction post speech is thatecretary clinton and seetary gates d a big favor fr barack obama. i think on theapitol hill
and maybeven around the count, there was some sense of letdown, disa ponent, the speech wasn't quiteverything they wanted. bui think the testimony that clintonnd gat ga subsequently was very effective. among oer things, it descred exactly what was goi to happen in a mu me clear way tn oa chose todo during at speech. and one of the thing that struck mjust about their presentations andheir testimony ws this isn't something new. this isomething ongoing. there was a sue in march. we had marines and other people occupying villages. that has begun to show some reltsment and we're ontinuing on with that. and so it'sot like it is a vast depar te. but it is a continuation and i thought they projected a great de of competce and hosty as they tend to doment and theyhored up support, pecially in congress wre there is stll skepticism but it hasn't boiled over. itas probably diminished. >> lehrer: what do you think. >> i think what strikes me more than anytng else, 72 hours after the speech, of how few minds have been changed by it. there was -- peopl were --.
>> lehrer: they still say n re troops, those that said more they sti say. >> you get pol that think the president, give the presiden89 benefit of the dou. i think theres certain rallying. buthe lack of passion in the speech itself that we commend on. >> lehrer: we lked about thanight. >> i thin is reflecve in t debate i the country. 'm still waiting fo somebody to stand up there and say he's absolutely right. he did not give those on either sidehat they wanted. w you can says that's the calibrated, moderated, measuredtyle and substance of the president, his process. the procs was admirable. i just tnk the pruct me down without the abily to move people. which when nation goes to war, theris no more serious, more solemn decision at is made. and you really do need that sense of -- >> i agred with that at the tim i think we both id it that
night. i thout how can you a young men anwomen to real sacrifice everything if the presint is so librated himself. and i made that cas to in the house andhey said well, the country not there. the country wnts to know that you fl the way they feel. which is ambivant. >> rooney: ambivalen >so they thought, he reflected -- that is the w oa genelly feels but they thoug he was with the country on this. and it woulde of some comfort. nd i have heard that too. one of t interesting things that struck me over the last couple of days is the is this alleged adline of july 2011 when they begin to pullhe troops out. a lot of people lik me thought they will ver get anything accomplied in 18 months. fornately that is such a softeadline it i basically meaningless. lehrer: almost evaporang. >> a lot ofeopleay i feel comforted th he said that becse it shows how he wantso get out. and i'm glad he feelsthat way. >> the one thing think that ju 2011 does senis a msage to mr. karzai d the afghan government that domestic politics in this country will determine
whether, in fa, th polic continues. whether the support continues. a that that is where the decisions are finally mad so th there is a certain urgencybout them cleaning up theirwn, their act and moving to construct a government that theeople of tt country can live with. >> lehrer: i noted in margaret's intview with secretary clinn when she asked secrary clinton about, had she seeany signs yet tha karzai has the word here and things are gointo getetter within the gornment, she said m, may, rather than -- >> so they have put a little bit of something i the sa he for karzai, ve they not, the u.s. >> weave been leaning on this y for eight yea no the fact is h is biding for survival and e deals of the war lord are fo his survival. the thing tt actually has come outsince is, which wasn't really in thepeech was the reliance on the tribe, theeliance on the decentralid institutions within afghanistan which gates a clinton talked
about. and at is actually qui od news because that is whre the progress is seen. >i think the person in t ite house has said if the president is ambivalent, the countrys ambivalent. we do expect our lears ecause they do have access to information, knowledge, events a reality that is not available t avage citizens to come to a conclusion. not nessarily an impulsive one. and this president will nev be impulsive. buone that does reflect eater sense of servitude and confidence. and there was not confidence procted the other night. >> the it was like the pollpo. en politiciansspeak in public they prevend ey have perfectnowledge and confidence. didn't put on thata saad. i sort of wish had on balance because i do think when you goo war you want a certain trumpethat ldiers want to know y ill be with them through ick and thin but on the other hand he is being honest. >>he other criticism is tha it reay is the
continuation of the bush licy in the sense that againall the sacrifices beinborne only by the in uniform andheir families. tre is no sense of how we're going to py for it. theres no sense of a nation at war. there is no challenge to the amican people. no calls to us, certain or uncertain. and so in that sense there was a sse, there was a feeling disappointment among manoa supporters. >> hrer: would that have worked for president oba if he had done that. if he hadone what mark said. >> my idea is youut a picture of a marne or soldier on the gas n pump and you put a 5 cent gasoline tax on every gallon. if the pictures are right there, you would pay the tax. but i wish theyould do somethinlike that but for some reasoboth adminisrations haveecided not to do that. i agree withark. i think it is a mistake. >> lehrer: okay. david, mark, thank y both very much.
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